"...When He [Jesus] saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd." Matt 9:36

"Do not rob the poor, because he is poor... for the Lord will take up their case and plunder those who plunder them." Proverbs 22:22-23

Friday, February 24, 2012

"Great Commission Baptists" is the Perfect Descriptor of the SBC

"You gotta spend money to make money"
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It is too bad that the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee did not vote to officially change their brand to "Great Commission Baptists".

"Great Commission Baptists": it would have been the perfect name to communicate to the vast unchurched Yankee people groups both what is important to this religious group, and also what it would take to join it.

Obviously most un-churched folk have no idea that the phrase "Great Commission" refers to Christ's command to make disciples and baptize the lost, but they do know what a "commission" is.

And if they join a "Great Commission Baptist" church, they would soon find out what a "great commission" is.

You see once a Yankee hears the good news and accepts Jesus as their "personal Savior" at a Great Commission Baptist church, they will then find out the bad news: to be a good member of the church, to receive the blessings of God and avoid his curses on their finances, they will have to begin forking over a "great commission" of their income; 10% or more.

Yes, 10% of your gross income, that is the new "great commission" - money you are commanded to give to your nearest Great Commission Baptist church.

Maybe a better name would be "One Big Honkin' Commission Baptists"....

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you so dislike Baptists then why are you one? If they are so evil and despicable I can't imagine why you would want to be a member of one of their churches.

Go out and form your own since you seem to think you know it all--and then see how many members you have in your church. I'm sure it would be far fewer than you can even imagine.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Lighten up! It's Friday and the weekend is here! Your next tithe is only two days away!

Anonymous said...

You just hit the nail squarely on the head.

Anonymous said...

To be honest I would be somewhat careful ridiculing something such as the tithe. What if the great majority of Christians are right about it and you are wrong and you have spent all this time condemning something that God has commanded?

The ice could be thinner than you think.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Right, and what if I'm wrong about the tooth fairy and Santa Claus?

Anonymous said...

"What if the great majority of Christians are right about it and you are wrong and you have spent all this time condemning something that God has commanded?"

To me this statement displays just how little Biblical support the storehouse tithing advocates have for their position.

You could make the same statement about any false doctrine. Would that make you right? No, quite the contrary.

The Bible commands us to speak out AGAINST false teachings, not to be fearful that we might be mistaken. Especially when what the NT teaches about giving it is crystal clear.

Mark said...

If tithing is required so is keeping the Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. You can't say one is required and the other is not. Also, you are required not to eat shrimp, lobster or pork.

The law, the entire law, was fulfilled at the cross. If you want to keep part of the law, keep the entire law! There's no requirement in the NT to tithe under the new covenant.

Anonymous said...

Storehouse tithing advocates please answer any of the following questions:

Why did the OT Israelites pay 3 tithes and today the teaching is only one tithe?

Why did they only pay food in the OT and today the teaching is to give money?

Why did only farmers and shepherds pay tithes in the OT and today everyone is supposed to give 10%?

Why did the poor RECEIVE tithes in the OT and today they are expected to pay 10%?

Why did no one in the NT church pay tithes for the first 700 years?

Anonymous said...

"Why did the poor RECEIVE tithes in the OT and today they are expected to pay 10%?"

I like that question. In a church, why not figure out everyone's income, then those who are poor would receive money from those who are rich. If that was the purpose, or one of the purposes of the tithe, then why not? I think the Bible says the first Christians shared everything anyway.

At any rate, I think that question helped me to see how the poor were not asked to tithe. They were the recipients! Whereas now, the wealthy pastor is up there telling the poor to tithe! Makes no sense.

Anonymouse said...

More preacher lies: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/02/24/jeffress-lies-about-school-prayer-ruling/

Thomas Golden said...

I'm one of those yankee church pastors...please believe that we are not on board with the storehouse tithing doctrine. There are some challenges to being a "Southern" Baptist is the northern midwest, but our church would have kept the SBC title anyway.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again.

Volumes of debate and scripture quoting about the tithe, the storehouse, the law, the OT, the NT, and the new covenant.

I'm going to happy hour and then taking the weekend off. I'll check back Monday to see if there's a new topic.

Mark said...

"I'm going to happy hour and then taking the weekend off. I'll check back Monday to see if there's a new topic."

Sounds like a tithing advocate who is going to be going out drinking on the Sabbath. Hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

"Volumes of debate and scripture quoting about the tithe, the storehouse, the law, the OT, the NT, and the new covenant."

Yeah, you are right. Those aren't very important topics. We should just avoid all of the subjects that people disagree on and get drunk.

Great advice.

WishIhadknown said...

Anon is just joking. We all know Baptists don't like to drink in front of each other.

Anonymous said...

Who said anything about getting drunk?

So fun to mess with people who are wound up so tight about giving and enjoying some ale once in awhile.

Give how God leads YOU. Celebrate family, friends, and life by having a cup of cheer, with joy.

Anonymous said...

Are you opposed to 10% store house tithing...I couldn't tell ...you hardly ever say anything about your beliefs about this issue...

You seem so bitter...I don't know you so I can't say you are bitter...but you sure blog like a bitter person....

If someone read all your blogs would it point them to Jesus? or to a bitter man.

Life happens to all of us...move on

Anonymous said...

Tithing, tithing and more tithing. Seems to me that WD is as obsessed as those he criticizes.

Thy Peace said...

Off Topic: Stop Baptist Predators [Christa Brown] > Church boots children so preacher-predator can take pulpit

Anonymous said...

"If someone read all your blogs would it point them to Jesus? or to a bitter man.

Life happens to all of us...move on

February 24, 2012 7:02 PM
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Life happens to all of us . . .move on! I think if the shoe was on the other foot you would think different - WD's issue is unique and he's not a bitter man but a man of character whose wife & family was treated unjustly. I respect him and fully support his work here on this blog - I'm glad he jumped in & tells us whats really going on behind the scenes.

Anonymous said...

Another great example of the cultural cluelessness of the SBC. Great Commission Baptists, which will also be referred to as GCB, is also the title of a new show on ABC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCB_(TV_series)

How fitting.

Dear SBC Executive Committee: Always Google first.

Anonymous said...

I do feel sorry for you watchdog... You are so bitter and you paint with a very large and wide brush. No doubt there have been SBC pastors and churches who have not represented the Lord well but for everyone that fails there are many who are trying to serve the Lord with integrity. It's too bad you can't recognize that because you are missing out on actually reporting some good news (no pun intended) for a change. Instead of constantly trying to beat up the bride of Christ. The bride isn't perfect but we are still His bride. That should make us very cautious....

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

2:04 am - LIGHTEN UP! This was a post made in jest, but it serves to make a valid point about how many fundamentalist baptists these days DO tell congregants that 10% of their income, undesignated, to the church, is required for them to receive these blessings. That message won't go over too well in the northeast, especially in states with high tax rates. So I find it both humorous, and sad at the same time, that their chosen name had a double meaning without them even knowing it. "Great Commission" can mean "Large Percentage" - especially to those who know absolutely nothing about the bible.

So lighten up, smile, and be very happy if you are in a church like I am right now that does NOT beat people up to get them to give 10% of their money.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

A great comment left by someone at the Associated Baptist Press article about the name change:
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Conversation
Person 1: I'd like to invite you to come with me to church.
Person 2: Oh, thank you. Where do you attend?
Person 1: I attend Such-and-Such Church.
Person 2: What kind of church is that?
Person 1: Well, we're a Baptist church.
Person 2: Really? What kind of Baptist?
Person 1: Great Commission Baptist.
Person 2: Hm, sounds new, never heard of it. Where did Great Commission Baptists come from? Is it another Baptist split?
Person 1: Oh, no, we used to be called Southern Baptist.
Person 2: Why the change? What's wrong? Did something happen? Was there a scandal?
Person 1: Nothing's wrong, really, we just changed our name because there's a bias against the word "Southern," you know, with slavery and all that. And besides, people tend to think Southern Baptists are judgmental, bigoted, and mean-spirited. We changed the name so people wouldn't think so badly of us.
Person 2: I'm not sure I want to get involved in all that. Thanks anyway.

The name change really doesn't accomplish anything, does it?
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Alternate Conversation
Person 1: I'd like to invite you to come with me to church.
Person 2: Oh, thanks you. Where do you attend?
Person 1: I attend Such-and-Such Church.
Person 2: What kind of church is that?
Person 1: It's a Southern Baptist church.
Person 2: Oh, yeah. I've heard of Southern Baptists. They really help people during disaster, don't they? But I've heard that they're not very nice and they're judgmental. Aren't they kind of Pentecostal: "Holy Rollers"?
Person 1: Well, you know me, we're friends. People at my church are very nice. Come and see.
Person 2: Okay. Thanks. I'll give it a try.

People already know the designation "Southern Baptist" and we know the potential baggage it may carry. It would be much better and much easier to demonstrate that Southern Baptists are not what we have been mischaracterized as than to have to explain why we had to change the name.

This is a BAD move.

Anonymous said...

The choice of the name just reveals how totally out of touch the so-called leaders of the organization are. Just plain goofy. There is a lost and dying world our there that needs Jesus, and they are coming are trying to play "marketing genius" when they are totally out of their league and out-of-touch. So sad.

Anonymous said...

Ok folks, tomorrow's the big day, I plan to do just like the
word of God say's; I'm gonna bring the tithe, and then buy it back; that's right, BUY IT BACK!

Lev.27:30-31
30 "One-tenth of what comes from the land, whether grain or fruit, is holy and belongs to the LORD.31 If you buy back any part of it, you must add one-fifth more to it.

God said it, I believe it, and that settles it!
Can only hope my pastor sees it the same way.

G. Casey said...

I would suggest that the ALL the women connected to the Gilyard case, SUE for damages! Send a message and tally up your counseling bills, money lost for trauma, and FILE A CLASS ACTION SUIT against Gilyard. The Torah would be behind you!!Beleive me. It is amazing how the mystery of torahlessness has even seeped into the protestant churches and has been replaced Goyim traditionalism and Goyim legalism.